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	<title>Comments on: Money talks II: The Mary Jane Statue sells all 900 copies (Boromir sold 2000 copies without a g-string in sight)</title>
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	<description>One of many voices that speak out against problems of the portrayal of gender, sexuality and race in comics. I just happen to be a male, white middle class member of the primary comic book target demographic.</description>
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		<title>By: shilohmm</title>
		<link>http://www.girl-wonder.org/designatedsidekick/2007/05/18/money-talks-ii-the-mary-jane-statue-sells-all-900-copies-boromir-sold-2000-copies-without-a-g-string-in-sight/comment-page-1/#comment-11178</link>
		<dc:creator>shilohmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 03:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone I know who collects LOTR and Star Wars statuettes is female.  Dunno offhand if they collect Sideshow stuff or not because the only collectible stuff I go for is mugs (which I use - read my commics, too; I fail as a serious collector).  But if they do, Sideshow&#039;s MJ statue will not encourage them to continue that practice.  I can kinda understand Sideshow&#039;s nonchalance about comics fans (although, honestly, I wouldn&#039;t spurn 10% of my potential market myself), but they may be burning their sales in other markets as well.

I tend to think the comics companies underestimate their female fan base because, going on myself and my friends, a lot of females have taken to &quot;lying low&quot; in the sense of not hitting comics stores much and instead bumming them from more adventurous friends and/or getting trades through Amazon based on Internet scans and recommendations and reviews by people we trust.  I can shrug it off when the fandom puts up the &quot;No girls allowed&quot; sign - every fandom has its jerks and peabrains.  But comics are my only &quot;coded male&quot; interest where I often get that feeling from the so-called professionals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone I know who collects LOTR and Star Wars statuettes is female.  Dunno offhand if they collect Sideshow stuff or not because the only collectible stuff I go for is mugs (which I use &#8211; read my commics, too; I fail as a serious collector).  But if they do, Sideshow&#8217;s MJ statue will not encourage them to continue that practice.  I can kinda understand Sideshow&#8217;s nonchalance about comics fans (although, honestly, I wouldn&#8217;t spurn 10% of my potential market myself), but they may be burning their sales in other markets as well.</p>
<p>I tend to think the comics companies underestimate their female fan base because, going on myself and my friends, a lot of females have taken to &#8220;lying low&#8221; in the sense of not hitting comics stores much and instead bumming them from more adventurous friends and/or getting trades through Amazon based on Internet scans and recommendations and reviews by people we trust.  I can shrug it off when the fandom puts up the &#8220;No girls allowed&#8221; sign &#8211; every fandom has its jerks and peabrains.  But comics are my only &#8220;coded male&#8221; interest where I often get that feeling from the so-called professionals.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Dann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Dann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 16:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rational
I&#039;m going to ask you again. Put up your credentials. You want to call me out on my marketing trade skills? Do it by putting your trade skills on the line.  If you out rank me in the marketing game, I&#039;ll concede, and concede with a public apology to you.  I&#039;ve put up my background, and now I&#039;m calling you out in a direct challenge.  Prove who you are, and how you out rank me, and I&#039;ll back down. 

AS for Star Wars as a retired franchise sold 2000@$150, whereas Sideshow expected to move 950@$150 at the peak of the franchise&#039;s popularity in-cinemas as part of the Spiderman 3 movie tie in. (http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=sp3week&amp;source=wp_news)

The 950 units were part of the endorsed Marvel, Sideshow and Columbia pictures tie in to the specific market of the Marvel collector as part of the launch of the movie.  If, as you&#039;ve tried repeatedly to claim, that cheesecake is a seller, why did they run a production order of 1500@$189 for the Venom statue? Or Red Spiderman Bust (250 @ 399.99 sold out) and Black Spiderman 500 @ 399.99 (sold out) if the cheesecake was the priority sales figure?  

Why 950@$125 for the Mary Jane (Total Revenue = $112,500) compared to the Venom (Total revenue = $199995).  If Sideshow was so confident of cheesecake as the seller, why $125? Why not $189 to match Venom? Go on, say it&#039;s because Venom is better cheesecake.  

If cheesecake is such a priority, why was it only one of thirteen available products when the movie had Gwen Stacey and Mary Jane?  Perhaps because non-cheesecake figures that tie into the movie are more profitable?

Also, given that, as you have been trying demonstrate to me that cheesecake is the priority selling point, why does Sideshow not have a Slave Leia figurine?  Instead, they have limited 300 run of busts of &lt;a href=http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=2911 rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Greedo&lt;/a&gt;.  No cheesecake on the Greedo figure at $599.  Greedo is cheesecake? Even when he shoots first?

All the way through, I&#039;m running numbers to show you that non cheesecake is outselling cheesecake, and you&#039;re throwing insults not counterarguments.  If you&#039;ve got figures and facts to back you, start playing those cards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rational<br />
I&#8217;m going to ask you again. Put up your credentials. You want to call me out on my marketing trade skills? Do it by putting your trade skills on the line.  If you out rank me in the marketing game, I&#8217;ll concede, and concede with a public apology to you.  I&#8217;ve put up my background, and now I&#8217;m calling you out in a direct challenge.  Prove who you are, and how you out rank me, and I&#8217;ll back down. </p>
<p>AS for Star Wars as a retired franchise sold 2000@$150, whereas Sideshow expected to move 950@$150 at the peak of the franchise&#8217;s popularity in-cinemas as part of the Spiderman 3 movie tie in. (<a href="http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=sp3week&#038;source=wp_news" rel="nofollow">http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=sp3week&#038;source=wp_news</a>)</p>
<p>The 950 units were part of the endorsed Marvel, Sideshow and Columbia pictures tie in to the specific market of the Marvel collector as part of the launch of the movie.  If, as you&#8217;ve tried repeatedly to claim, that cheesecake is a seller, why did they run a production order of 1500@$189 for the Venom statue? Or Red Spiderman Bust (250 @ 399.99 sold out) and Black Spiderman 500 @ 399.99 (sold out) if the cheesecake was the priority sales figure?  </p>
<p>Why 950@$125 for the Mary Jane (Total Revenue = $112,500) compared to the Venom (Total revenue = $199995).  If Sideshow was so confident of cheesecake as the seller, why $125? Why not $189 to match Venom? Go on, say it&#8217;s because Venom is better cheesecake.  </p>
<p>If cheesecake is such a priority, why was it only one of thirteen available products when the movie had Gwen Stacey and Mary Jane?  Perhaps because non-cheesecake figures that tie into the movie are more profitable?</p>
<p>Also, given that, as you have been trying demonstrate to me that cheesecake is the priority selling point, why does Sideshow not have a Slave Leia figurine?  Instead, they have limited 300 run of busts of <a href=http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=2911 rel="nofollow">Greedo</a>.  No cheesecake on the Greedo figure at $599.  Greedo is cheesecake? Even when he shoots first?</p>
<p>All the way through, I&#8217;m running numbers to show you that non cheesecake is outselling cheesecake, and you&#8217;re throwing insults not counterarguments.  If you&#8217;ve got figures and facts to back you, start playing those cards.</p>
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		<title>By: rational</title>
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		<dc:creator>rational</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 14:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again you failed to engage that tiny little brain of yours before letting your mouth run Stephen. Naugty Naughty little academic. 
Yes Spiderman 3 performed well. very Well. 
However, Star wars fans spend more money on licensed merchandise than any other category of fan. Something you should know with such a big time and imressive resume. Furthermore the sideshow statues were marketed in concert with he movies were they not? And did the actors from the movies not pose for them? Hmm I wonder if that had an effect?  Now had Kirsten Dunst posed for this, had it any direct tie in to the movie beyond the use of a similar version of the same character, then perhaps you might be comparing apples to apples. Of course the fact that 90% of the poeple who saw the movie will never and have never bought a comic book much less a comic related collectors item is also pertinent. Something a supersmart pofessor such as youself should have reaised had you not left your brain in nuetral and you outrage on overdrive. 
But dont think too much you wouldnt want to ruin my wonderfully high opinion of Australian Academics would you?
oh wait, its too late. 


Like I said binky, maybe you should have studied the marketing part, instead of the social change part. 

But then your an aussie, so really you cant be expected to understand marketing or markets as well as we do you poor savage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again you failed to engage that tiny little brain of yours before letting your mouth run Stephen. Naugty Naughty little academic.<br />
Yes Spiderman 3 performed well. very Well.<br />
However, Star wars fans spend more money on licensed merchandise than any other category of fan. Something you should know with such a big time and imressive resume. Furthermore the sideshow statues were marketed in concert with he movies were they not? And did the actors from the movies not pose for them? Hmm I wonder if that had an effect?  Now had Kirsten Dunst posed for this, had it any direct tie in to the movie beyond the use of a similar version of the same character, then perhaps you might be comparing apples to apples. Of course the fact that 90% of the poeple who saw the movie will never and have never bought a comic book much less a comic related collectors item is also pertinent. Something a supersmart pofessor such as youself should have reaised had you not left your brain in nuetral and you outrage on overdrive.<br />
But dont think too much you wouldnt want to ruin my wonderfully high opinion of Australian Academics would you?<br />
oh wait, its too late. </p>
<p>Like I said binky, maybe you should have studied the marketing part, instead of the social change part. </p>
<p>But then your an aussie, so really you cant be expected to understand marketing or markets as well as we do you poor savage.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Dann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Dann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 00:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@rational
Did Spiderman just wipe the floor with the box office records previously held by those two franchises? Why yes it did.  Last month to be precise.  Does Star Wars have any ongoing franchise? No, surprisingly. It&#039;s peaked. It&#039;s over and on the decline.

Spiderman has monthly magazines, it&#039;s in the box office right now, and they only shifted 950@$150.  Whereas that retiree of a movie Star Wars sold out 2000@$150.

Even Sideshow doesn&#039;t seem to place faith in the MJ statue. If cheesecake is your big seller, show me the reason why 2K of stormtroopers are selling for the same price as 950 MaryJanes. Don&#039;t forget to discount the the value of the 950 MJ versus the negative press that Sideshow managed to drag onto themselves and Marvel.

Oh, and since you&#039;re going to insist I study real marketing - here&#039;s my track record. - http://www.stephendann.net/publications/ 
Front up with yours now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rational<br />
Did Spiderman just wipe the floor with the box office records previously held by those two franchises? Why yes it did.  Last month to be precise.  Does Star Wars have any ongoing franchise? No, surprisingly. It&#8217;s peaked. It&#8217;s over and on the decline.</p>
<p>Spiderman has monthly magazines, it&#8217;s in the box office right now, and they only shifted 950@$150.  Whereas that retiree of a movie Star Wars sold out 2000@$150.</p>
<p>Even Sideshow doesn&#8217;t seem to place faith in the MJ statue. If cheesecake is your big seller, show me the reason why 2K of stormtroopers are selling for the same price as 950 MaryJanes. Don&#8217;t forget to discount the the value of the 950 MJ versus the negative press that Sideshow managed to drag onto themselves and Marvel.</p>
<p>Oh, and since you&#8217;re going to insist I study real marketing &#8211; here&#8217;s my track record. &#8211; <a href="http://www.stephendann.net/publications/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stephendann.net/publications/</a><br />
Front up with yours now.</p>
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		<title>By: rational</title>
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		<dc:creator>rational</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 20:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm , do Starwars and LOTR both enjoy a bigger fanbase than Spiderman?
Why yes they do. 
Could that explaine the greater numbers?
Why yes yes it could.
And you have yet to show me one lost sale as a result of this. 
So maybe you should have studied real marketing yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm , do Starwars and LOTR both enjoy a bigger fanbase than Spiderman?<br />
Why yes they do.<br />
Could that explaine the greater numbers?<br />
Why yes yes it could.<br />
And you have yet to show me one lost sale as a result of this.<br />
So maybe you should have studied real marketing yes?</p>
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		<title>By: universalperson</title>
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		<dc:creator>universalperson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 02:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They think that only guys are buying those Buffy statues.

Sorry, but when it comes to buisnesses, I just think of them as completely stupid, most of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They think that only guys are buying those Buffy statues.</p>
<p>Sorry, but when it comes to buisnesses, I just think of them as completely stupid, most of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Dann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Dann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 05:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jmace: On the money, to coin a phrase.  Nameless stormtrooper (in full armour) sold 2000 copies at $150 whereas Mary Jane sells 950 @ $150.  The money seems to be pointing at clothing.  

@Universalperson: they believe there’s no market for it

I guess that&#039;s why they had problems selling out $300K of Buffy Figurines &lt;a href=http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=buffy_12&amp;item=2005 rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Limited Edition&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jmace: On the money, to coin a phrase.  Nameless stormtrooper (in full armour) sold 2000 copies at $150 whereas Mary Jane sells 950 @ $150.  The money seems to be pointing at clothing.  </p>
<p>@Universalperson: they believe there’s no market for it</p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s why they had problems selling out $300K of Buffy Figurines <a href=http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=buffy_12&#038;item=2005 rel="nofollow">Limited Edition</a></p>
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		<title>By: universalperson</title>
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		<dc:creator>universalperson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 22:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because they&#039;ve sold 900 statues. And there may be more than that.

Right now, they&#039;re going to milk it for all its worth, and then they won&#039;t make non sexist comic statues because they believe there&#039;s no market for it.

When have comic books ever cared about rational marketing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because they&#8217;ve sold 900 statues. And there may be more than that.</p>
<p>Right now, they&#8217;re going to milk it for all its worth, and then they won&#8217;t make non sexist comic statues because they believe there&#8217;s no market for it.</p>
<p>When have comic books ever cared about rational marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: JMace</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 19:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sideshow&#039;s pretending that the backlash doesn&#039;t exist is pretty lame.

Because you&#039;re right, it is an opportunity of sorts for them -- there have been a ton of new eyeballs directed at their website in the last several days. And at least some of those could be potential customers if they play their cards right.

Now, you and I might disagree with what &#039;playing their cards right&#039; might mean -- but here&#039;s what I&#039;d do:

I wouldn&#039;t delete comments, but I wouldn&#039;t respond directly to most of them, or maybe even to any of them. I&#039;d figure that would likely inflame tensions to an even greater extent -- and defending a product that has already sold out (and likely made me a tidy profit) is a waste of labor.

Instead, I&#039;d start a new discussion: I&#039;d say to these new posters hey, welcome, and sorry we couldn&#039;t have met under more pleasant circumstances.

Then, I&#039;d ask, what sort of statue would YOU like to buy? Heck, if I was particularly enterprising, after a week or so passed, I might even the take most popular 3-5 suggestions and turn them into a poll so that commenters could &#039;vote&#039; for their favorite concept. I might also host a vote for what artist should draw the concept art. 

Then I&#039;d take orders for a limited run (maybe 300-450 units, after all I know the size of the market for the MJ statue, and I can&#039;t be sure of the size of the market for this) and see what happens.

If it sells out, I try a more aggressive production run the next time. If THAT sells out, I&#039;ve found myself a new market AND I still have my existing market. So I win.

If it is a resounding failure, I have the perfect rejoinder the next time one of my products spawns some sort of feminist backlash: I made a girl-friendly product and nobody showed up to buy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sideshow&#8217;s pretending that the backlash doesn&#8217;t exist is pretty lame.</p>
<p>Because you&#8217;re right, it is an opportunity of sorts for them &#8212; there have been a ton of new eyeballs directed at their website in the last several days. And at least some of those could be potential customers if they play their cards right.</p>
<p>Now, you and I might disagree with what &#8216;playing their cards right&#8217; might mean &#8212; but here&#8217;s what I&#8217;d do:</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t delete comments, but I wouldn&#8217;t respond directly to most of them, or maybe even to any of them. I&#8217;d figure that would likely inflame tensions to an even greater extent &#8212; and defending a product that has already sold out (and likely made me a tidy profit) is a waste of labor.</p>
<p>Instead, I&#8217;d start a new discussion: I&#8217;d say to these new posters hey, welcome, and sorry we couldn&#8217;t have met under more pleasant circumstances.</p>
<p>Then, I&#8217;d ask, what sort of statue would YOU like to buy? Heck, if I was particularly enterprising, after a week or so passed, I might even the take most popular 3-5 suggestions and turn them into a poll so that commenters could &#8216;vote&#8217; for their favorite concept. I might also host a vote for what artist should draw the concept art. </p>
<p>Then I&#8217;d take orders for a limited run (maybe 300-450 units, after all I know the size of the market for the MJ statue, and I can&#8217;t be sure of the size of the market for this) and see what happens.</p>
<p>If it sells out, I try a more aggressive production run the next time. If THAT sells out, I&#8217;ve found myself a new market AND I still have my existing market. So I win.</p>
<p>If it is a resounding failure, I have the perfect rejoinder the next time one of my products spawns some sort of feminist backlash: I made a girl-friendly product and nobody showed up to buy it.</p>
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